Following US and Israeli strikes on Iran that began on 28th February, there have been indiscriminate retaliatory attacks across the Middle East region. Here we summarise the RN position and the broader naval aspects of this developing conflict.
As an implacable enemy of Britain, the collapse of the despicable Iranian regime is very much in the UK’s interests. The Starmer government appears to be treading a confused line between support for Trump and disavowing involvement. Whether attempts at regime change by air and missile strikes can be achieved is highly questionable and may inevitably lead to unforeseen second-order consequences. Any form of Middle East intervention is now politically toxic in the UK, but even if there is no appetite to directly join the strikes on Iran, there are British interests to defend. Despite indications for several weeks, obvious to any casual observer, that this attack was on the way, UK military preparation appears to have been undercooked. The prepositioning of a Type 45 destroyer in the Eastern Mediterranean would seem to have been a bare minimum step, together with better contingency plans for personnel in Bahrain.
Limited choices
As recently as a decade ago, the RN maintained at least a few ships on deployment around the globe and in a crisis had options to quickly re-task assets to respond. This is no longer the case; only the 2 forward-deployed OPVs and submarine HMS Anson in Australia are east of Suez. There are no RN warships in the Mediterranean other than an RFA laid up in Gibraltar. Putting aside the deployment of Anson, countering the Russian threat is really the main priority, but events do not always account for such a delicate balance of resource management. This crisis further exposes the tiny number of combat-ready vessels the RN has available.
On 19 January, it was officially stated that the RN had 3 Type 45s ‘operational’, technically the case, but an optimistic view. Of the limited options, HMS Duncan would be the obvious choice to deploy as she has recently completed FOST and exercise Sharpshooter, is worked up and immediately available.
In mid-February, HMS Dauntless spent a few days working with the FS Charles de Gaulle carrier strike group, but has now entered a planned 3-month Fleet Time Support period. HMS Dragon is in dry dock in FTSP and is earmarked to become the flagship of Standing NATO Maritime Group One later this year. It should be noted that during FTSP, vessels are theoretically still able to sail with 72 hours’ notice and retain a full ship’s company, a quite different posture to ships in deep refit and out of routine. However, sending a ship to sea in the middle of a support period would typically imply sailing with acceptable defects and would disrupt the taut maintenance schedules and availability in future. The other three destroyers, HMS Defender and HMS Diamond, are in various stages of major refit, while HMS Daring is regenerating and should rejoin the fleet later this year.
Of the struggling frigate force, HMS St Albans is deployed on Towed Array Sonar Patrol in the Atlantic or High North region. HMS Somerset is active and due to sail from Plymouth today. HMS Portland has been stuck in Devonport with a defect since January, and HMS Sutherland seems to be making very slow progress regenerating after her LIFEX refit that officially completed more than a year ago. HMS Kent is completing a major refit, and it is unclear if HMS Iron Duke will return to sea as planned this month following a maintenance period.
Carriers
FS Charles de Gaulle recently visited Sweden as part of the Marine Nationale’s LA FAYETTE 2026 deployment to the Baltic and North Atlantic, but in response to events, France is considering redeploying their carrier group to the Eastern Mediterranean. It should be noted that there is an agreement between European carrier-operating nations intended to ensure there is at least one active carrier always available. Although HMS Prince of Wales is fully crewed, she is undergoing several months of maintenance following the CSG25 deployment to the Pacific last year.
Barring any significant alteration to current planning, HMS Prince of Wales is due to lead the carrier strike group on Operation FIRECREST later this year, deploying across the North Atlantic and into the Arctic. The programme is intended to reinforce transatlantic ties with the United States, Canada and partners within the Joint Expeditionary Force, including activity along the eastern seaboard of North America. The group is expected to visit a US port, with American aircraft planned to operate from the carrier’s flight deck during the deployment, which will also feature tasks aligned with NATO’s new Arctic Sentry mission.
Cyprus
During the night of 1st March, an unmanned drone struck the runway at RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus. Fortunately, no one was injured, and none of the valuable aircraft was hit. Akrotiri has no hardened aircraft shelters and, although a very valuable base, there have been increasing concerns about its defence. At least in the short term until protection could be improved, there is no question that having a Type 45 nearby would provide significant reassurance, rather than trusting to luck or hoping the USN can protect Cyprus.
Recent activity at RAF Akrotiri has centred on continued combat sorties under Operation SHADER against Islamic State targets in Iraq and Syria, including Typhoon strike missions. The base also supports RAF allied air-to-air refuelling, reconnaissance, and other logistical movements within the region. Following the action against Iran, RAF F-35s and Typhoons are flying patrols to intercept potential drones or missiles, although restricted to purely defensive operations.
Bahrain
Iranian drones have struck the US Navy 5th fleet base at least twice in Bahrain, landing close to the UK Naval Support Facility (NSF). An Iranian drone has also hit the oil tanker MV Stena Imperative alongside the Bahrain port today, setting her on fire. The tanker is a civilian vessel but provides support to the US Navy.
The MoD say there are still at least 300 British military personnel in Bahrain, comprising the UK Maritime Component Command (UKMCC) staff, marines and personnel involved in ship maintenance and disposal. There are no plans to abandon the base and it is possible that up to two of the river Class OPVs will be based there in future.
The RN has spent decades exercising and preparing for this scenario, but no longer has any active warships in place. During previous conflicts in the Gulf, the RN was ready to escort and protect merchant shipping transiting the Strait of Hormuz. The present threat environment is of a different scale, but it should not be forgotten that during the prolonged Tanker War of the 1980s, missiles were fired, ships were struck, and mines were laid. Similarly serious risks were endured by RN warships that operated in the Gulf during 1990 to 1991 and again in 2003. The RN of today is simply no longer big enough or properly equipped for the challenge.
HMS Lancaster was decommissioned in December but is still alongside in Bahrain being de-stored. Returning her to operations is not feasible. In her final months of active service, she was driven to “maximise every ounce of operational capability”. She is completely worn out, has ammunition removed and no longer has a full ship’s company. The last operational vessel the RN has in the Gulf, HMS Middleton, is due to return home to the UK on a heavy lift vessel. The base at Bahrain remains vulnerable, and even with all its resources, the US cannot protect everything, even from relatively slow Shahed one-way attack drones, never mind ballistic missiles.
Hormuz
Iran is attempting to close the Strait of Hormuz to all shipping – a key maritime choke point through which approximately 20% of the world’s oil & gas supplies pass. As usual, it is innocent mariners on the front line, with at least four merchant vessels being hit at the time of writing. The tanker MV Skylight was left ablaze and abandoned at anchor south of Hormuz with four casualties, while MV MKd Vyom was struck by a projectile off Oman, resulting in the death of a crew member and two other vessels have reported incidents. The Royal Navy-led UK Maritime Trade Operations (UKMTO) centre has again provided a valuable service that provides credible information, advice and reassurance to mariners across the world in times of danger.
Tehran is leaning heavily on its asymmetric strengths, employing large numbers of attack drones and retaining the ability to deploy missile-armed fast attack craft and lay naval mines in confined waters. By contrast, much of its conventional surface fleet appears to have been obliterated by US strikes on the Iranian Navy’s Konarak base. At least two frigates and two patrol boats have been sunk, as well as the corvette Naghdi, which had been in South Africa in January and had only returned to Iran last week.
Although the Strait is not ‘closed’ to shipping, the risk of attack has immediately sent the cost of war risk insurance rocketing, and most shipping companies have suspended passages through the strait for now. Unlike the recent situation in the Red Sea, there is no alternative route, and ships may resume transit once insurance is arranged and if naval forces, other than the RN, can promise some protection. The majority of the hydrocarbons that must pass through the Gulf are bound for China, but ensuring this flow is in the interest of almost every nation (with perhaps the exception of Russia). Commodity prices are global and a shortage will impact across the world. There is some oil already afloat and in storage around the globe, Saudi Arabia could increase output, but it may not be long before oil and gas prices spike.
This crisis lays bare the widening gap between Britain’s global interests and the limited maritime power now available to defend them, compounded by political paralysis at home, and raises uncomfortable questions about how far UK ambition still matches its means.





This is properly a problem.
Whilst on paper there are three T45’s available there are in reality three of them in rotation through the normal maintenance routines as the other three a stuck in deep maintenance with PiP, Sea Viper Evolution, NSM and Sea Ceptor upgrades.
Getting Daring back out with its maintenance previously having been delayed to save costs – the gift that keeps giving – has, by all accounts, been a massive project.
What this truly shows is the profound joke an autonomous navy would be.. what is needed is frigates and destroys in adequate numbers so they can survive and be purposeful.
I know everyone will go fantasy fleet the moment I mention 30+ escorts, but it’s not a fantasy it’s actually the size the peace time fleet was meant to be.. the fantasy is reducing the AAW destroyers to 6 then the frigate fleet 13 and finally not laying down a new frigate in 16 years leading to a fall in numbers to 6 frigates…. That was the true fantasy.. a fantasy that then went to delusion in 2010 when the world turned and great power politics returned… a delusion that only got more deeply entrenched in 2014, 2016 and 2022…
in reality the Uk should be returning to a baseline of 32 destroyers and frigates as quickly as it can.. it should move to that.
it can have a new batch 2 of 5 T31 laid down in 28 and another in 30.. then another in 31 another in 32 another in 34.. then 5 batch 3s Laid down in 35 another in 36, another in 37 another in 39 and the final in 40.. all commissioned by 45
thats 15 T31s for 45
the T45s could stay kicking till 46-50 giving options at BAE.. they could squeeze in 2 more T26 ASW hulls even with the Norwegian builds before they had to move onto the T83
we have the industrial capacity to re envision and rebuild our navy if we have the national will and stop talking bollox about finding 100 odd crew for each ship or not having the 4 billion quid over 15 years it would cost to build 10 more T31s..
if we had a real navalist leader with a vision of maritime power we could have the fleet we needed..
15 Type 31s
10 type 26s
6 type 45s or T83s
Hugo will disagree 🤣😂
I’d argue that a hybrid (not fully autonomous) fleet would actually be beneficial here. Being able to multiply the efficacy of a single frigate in the North Atlantic would enable these crewed warships to be redeployed to Cyprus, without massively reducing TAPS support.
Or, a destroyer, with a couple of drones, could park of Cyprus in a ‘fan’, and therefore improve performance against ballistic missile due to a greater amount of radars and less vulnerability to crossing threats.
More crewed ships are more useful, but more costly. A hybrid navy (buzzword, ding ding) is a middle ground.
Not saying this is an answer but don’t you think an incremental upgrade to at least a few of the or a new build of the B2 Rivers might be worth it now? We know they’re not a frigate but getting a 40 or 57mm, a pair of 30mm, stronger radar/re-used Artisan, dozen CAMM, Sea Venom, telescoped hangar for Wildcat /Peregrine? Something like the Thai Kurabi’s? Might be useful and relatively simple and cheap to do while frigates are in build and destroyers getting upgraded? And if the B1 Rivers still have some life beyond 5 years give them a new 30mm rws and stronger radar and maybe the ability to launch Peregrine? Then might be good sense to get some more T31s on order soon.
Individually it wouldn’t be bad. But the second we ever made an OPV decent at combat the Treasury will stop all new frigate builds saying the upgunned OPVs could do the task.
Additionally the River class is the end of the line, any new OPV should have a hangar with it.
The fact that the treasury has a say on what the money for defence is spent on is a major part of the problem.
Congrats, you’ve now given the river the same amount of weaponry our new T31 frigate is getting…. Which isn’t very much, so how are we going to afford that on an OPV
Much better off with more T31 than more Rivers even if the T31’s are delivered lean equipped for lean manning there is at least a survivable large platform that is a warship that can be upgraded to a full far warship.
The issue is getting the orders past Treasury so they need to look cheap on the contract and be delivered to the contract price.
Treasury don’t trust MoD cost estimates on anything as so many large projects have blown out. Hopefully T31 and T26 do something to reset this thought process.
But this is the thing essentially an autonomous vessel is simply an adjunct to a frigate or destroyer not a replacement.. essentially we replace what was the small ship fleet with a load of small autonomous ships that now become adjuncts to the large surface combatants.. but to replace a frigate or destroy with them is to make you weaker.. the same argument was used to reduce the destroyer fleet from 12 to 6.. yes a type 45 is significantly more potent than 2 type 42s… but 1 destroyer cannot replace 2 destroyers it’s a false paridgm and has let to us having two few ships… so 1 T45 and 2 companion autonomous vessels may be twice as powerful as 1 T45 but it still does not replace 2 T42s ( because we could have one sitting or Iceland and one sitting in the Red Sea)…
that is what the autonomous navy concept may fail to recognise.. like small ships flights and long range missiles, autonomous vessels may support a warship to be more powerful and dominate a wider area but it is still one ship.. and one ship has more limitations than two ships… because of physics, time and space.
Leh
If one wants to provide ballistic missile defence of Cyprus
which is frankly something we (UK PLC) really should have done a very long time ago
(along with adding hardened aircraft shelters; more accomodation, more fuel tanks, decent military hospital and a proper RO-RO jetty etc etc etc)
by far and away the best way to achieve that objective – known in the trade as the defence of a key UK strategic military asset
would be by providing land based ABM and AAD radars and missiles
(either fixed sites and/or mobile launchers, or (ideally) a combination of both)
That is because – having been made by God (note 4) of “solid rock” – Cyprus is essentially
“unsinkable!”
(note 2)
and, also having been positioned by God (note 4) right on the very edge of the Muddle East
a region where wars have been continuously fought for about the past two milleniums…..(note 3)
and god even provided us, once the worlds greatest sea-faring nation – with a nice deep seawater moat all around Cyprus
So Cypus is so ideally positioned for UK airbases, naval bases etc…..
and also, because Cpurs is geographically located midway between the island of Britain and those nasy mulla’s in Iran
it is also ideal for ballistic missile defence sites (radars, missiles etc)
…so much so….
that the USN has just parked two of its biggest mobile airfields (called strike carrier groups) and their enterarge (called an escort group) next to Cyprus
….. and so the USA is running “ops” against the mad mullahs of Tehran
…….from the seawater moat which lies all around Cyprus
Cyprus’s ideal combination of geology and geography is precisely why, back in the 1960’s, we (UK PLC) did not sell it off !!!!
During our
“The End of Empire – Closing Down – Everything Must Go” FINAL SALE
Exactly the very same reason as we retained Diego Garcia and Gibraltar, and Ascension etc etc (note 1)
Because islands are militarily far more useful than single ships
Peter (Irate Taxpayer)
Note 1
During the 1960’s and 1970’s, the UK foreign office had forgotten all about the Falklands Islands. That is why we ended up fighting a war there in 1982.
However, we then built a nice big airbase there in 1983-85.
Note 2
The island of Cyprus does not move
This is a characteristic it shares with the RN’s Admiral Parry Folly Class of AAD destroyers.
Note 3.
Documentary “Life of Brian”: made by the BBC’s Monty Python news team
Note 4.The current war between the Israelites (on this occasion allied with Christians) vis the Persians ………is a major religious disagreement – basically this latest war in the muddle east is all all about “which God created cyprus” (choice of three)
Alternatively you should do what the vast majority of Cypriots want and hand the base back over to Cyprus.
Careful. Such common sense isn’t always welcomed here.
“…….do what the vast majority of Cypriots”
Kiwirob
It all depends who you mean by “the vast majority of Cypriots”
Since 1974 the island has been spilt between
the top half (mostly Turkish)
and southern half (mostly (greek)
neither seem to like weach other very much….
So the first, and obvious point would be “to whom do we hand it to?”
Secondly, having been there mor than a few times, I can’t remember seeing any signs of
“the Popular Front for the Liberation of Cyprus from us Brits”
Peter (Irate Taxpayer)
The Turks are occupiers as you well know.
Not according to the Turkish Cypriots they are not..
Umm that’s a bad idea unless we give akrotiri to the Cyprus government and Dhekelia to Turkey.. because if we handed both over to Cyprus I would suggest a war would not be that far behind…
You forgot there are three nations present on those islands and the UK has been instrumental in making sure two of them don’t end up at war…
Or with such a small fleet, build all with full multi role, not pigeon hole them into limited roles, it reduces even further what we have useful and available
Far more expensive than single role vessels.
Usefull items are always more expensive than useless ones
Usefull items are always more expensive than useless ones
Little Froggy
I am not so sure about that
The UK MOD has a long history of spending lots and lots of money on useless stuf – so stuff that does not work properly
The latest two examples being
Ajax light tank (£6 billion and still going strong)
and watchkeeper (over £1 billion)
I could go on:
however Sean will then complain that my post is too long😎
Peter (Irate Taxpayer)
Peter
I can’t disagree…
It looks like the MOD is very fond of spending money to many private firms undercover of RD spendings.
With few useful returns (this Where is it? “Hybrid navy”) or bad returns (Ajax).
Rather than funding yards to build actual warships and not these so-called “frigates T31”.
It’s money well spent if you are a Director or on a panel overseeing the work. God forbid we spent the money protecting UN peacekeepers and gave them military support to stop these wars.
I’d suggest that we base the escort fleet on the principle of 3’s. For every ship on operations, one needs to be in training and another in maintenance. On that basis, perhaps we should aim for an escort fleet of a minimum of 36, 12 x AAW (T83), 12 x ASW (T26) and 12 x GP (T31, B1,B2 and B3).
6x AAW simply cannot provide sufficient escort duties to a CTG and maintain other duties. It could reasonable be argued that the numbers of ASW and GP could be amended, with a smaller number of ASW platforms, but restrict primary duties to the North Atlantic, with the odd one despatched to the Pacific, where they could assist with AUKUS work-ups and other such operations.
Still a crackpot insane suggestion, because it’s not based in reality.
Ummm the US by 1937 has produced a couple of hundred tanks across 2 decades and before the war had about 100 tanks in operation..between 1940 and 1945 it produced about 100,000 tanks and self propelled guns… possible is created through what we decide is necessity. If HMG decides we need 30+ escorts for 2040 that is what we would get.. stop pretending my assessment of what i thing is a geostrategic necessity is crackpot.. because Hugo you have no idea what the future will be.. when your older you will understand this.
We need far more, at least another dozen well armed nuclear subs armed to the teeth with British made and serviced by nuclear missiles. Half a dozen more carriers, powered by nuclear, a dozen small carriers with harriers and probably 50 frigates and destroyers…. Yes, a proper navy but now the USA is on the same side as Russia we have to have enough to make attacking us hurt like fuck
HMS Daring is regenerating ????????? and will be back in service later this year – ~ after lying idle due to Trasury parsimony
This ship highlights the RN woes of glacial action A prime asset not used and alongside decaying for many years
Why wasn’t HMS Duncan deployed in anticipation of all of this?!!
Because there was no warning, the US assured its allies it had no actual plans to strike Iran the day before it did.
Moving a second Carrier Task Group towards the gulf would indicate the opposite to a blind man.
The US moves carriers groups as deterrences all the time.
Really? And E-3, KC-135, F-22, F-15, were they routine? Even Iran could see that, except you, you must be working for British Intelligence?.
I’d still question why basic steps like deploying Sky Sabre batteries to Cyprus or Bahrain weren’t taken.
The MoD and HMG should’ve known better, frankly
Thats the wrong response. Cyprus has its own Israeli made Barak air defence system.
The RAF has sent F35, the logical and coherent option for targeting and drone defence away from the island .
Firing air defence missiles required civilian airspace to be closed first, unless you want to be like Ukraine and Russia and shoot down airliners
You are half right.
The Cypriot systems will have been on hold giving RAF primacy.
This is to avoid the three F15s downed elsewhere by Blue on Blue.
But RAF were taught the ‘leaker lesson’ of ‘82 that layers are needed and that single layer systems are always fallible.
If RAF had birds close to Akrotiri or even take off or landings the last thing that would be needed are AAW missiles flying around. There might well have been a decision that the likely effects of one small drone were more tolerable than the risks to F35/Typhoon/Tankers/ISTAR assets.
Because we only have a couple of them, and very limited supplies of munitions.
Because we don’t have enough. To station them in Akrotiri and Bahrain would mean none in the UK
It is because they are deployed to the Baltic states, and the Falklands. Of course given there are only six sets at the moment, there best use is to deploy them to are overseas bases which are most exposed, not to UK, which is to vast for them to make much difference to its defense, and of course is far from the threats.
Interesting…A British Goverment with Nothing to Offer.!.Something we’ve All been Warning About…! Wonder if PAKISTANS ATTACK ON AFGHANISTAN IS RELATED..???
Yes, it is. Also the walking under ladders, breaking mirrors, or black cats crossing your path.too
Only mentioned it as IRAN and Afghanistan had a Confrontation A Short time back .!. Wondered if Pakistan was Encouraged to Pre Occupy Afghanistan to Discourage it from Gaining an Advantage….?
@NavyLookout, there’s still no actual confirmation of whether the French carrier will deploy, right? The most I’ve seen are unsubstantiated rumours on various OSINT channels.
And she’s in the Baltic isn’t she? Alongside in Sweden last I heard.
Fair point, several conflicting reports right now – have modified the article
no plan to deploy CdG to eastern med at this hour.
there are two french frigates (Fremm + Horizon) in the Red Sea for the Aspide mission
Interesting post on CNN today re France.
“France will increase its number of nuclear warheads from the current level of below 300, but did not give a figure for the increase. It will be the first time France has increased its nuclear arsenal since at least 1992.”

LINK
I watched the entire (long) presentation on France 24 TV. M. Macron also made the point that all French nuclear weapons are strategic not tactical, which rather begs the question that if the UK goes ahead with the purchase of nuclear capable fast jets, plus the associated airborne nuclear weapons, does this mean that the UK will be the only European country with tactical nuclear warheads?
The same stockpile, I’m guessing.
“Key details regarding Germany and tactical nuclear weapons:
Storage & Type: Around 20 modernised US B61 bombs are stored in Germany, part of a wider stockpile of roughly 100 US weapons in Europe.
Usage: In a conflict, German pilots would deliver these bombs, but the US retains control of the weapons and codes.
Policy & Debate: While historically seeking the removal of these weapons, recent geopolitical pressure has sparked debate about European nuclear deterrence, though Germany remains bound by treaties against acquiring its own arsenal.
Future Capability: Although Germany does not have its own nuclear weapons, it has significant technical expertise to contribute to potential joint European defence initiatives.
Key Details on UK Tactical Nuclear Capabilities (2026)
New Tactical Capability: The UK is purchasing 12 F-35A aircraft, which will be integrated into NATO’s Dual Capable Aircraft (DCA) program.
Weapon System: The F-35A jets are designed to carry the US B61-12 nuclear gravity bomb, which has variable, lower yields compared to strategic warheads, suitable for tactical, battlefield use.
Strategic Shift: This move addresses a perceived “deterrence gap” and enhances NATO’s capacity to respond to regional aggression, supplementing the UK’s long-range Trident submarines.”

No because they are US bombs and can only be used at the agreement of the U.S…
The french airborne weapons are what the French have always described as Sub strategic.. essentially they allow a single strategic level warning shot.. before your major cities get vaporised in a MAD response.
all french warhead are variable yield 100-300 Kiloton.. tactical warheads are considered .1 to 50 Kilotons.. but there is nothing to stop you using a 100kiloton weapon tactically.. it’s just a very very blast… as an an ASMP is a 600km range singe warhead air launched cruise missile it would make a very good tactical nuclear weapon..
What he was really saying is France does not have a tactical nuclear doctrine.. it’s not going to use an ASMP as a battlefield weapon.. just as a substrategic warning shot or as part of a full Strategic MAD response..
Thanks for that. very detailed and comprehensive
Somewhat depends on your definition of “tactical” and your interpretation of French nuclear doctrine. They have always stated the purpose of the ASMP air launched supersonic nuclear missiles, now carried by Rafale’s is for “warning shots” to provide a graduated escalation before going straight to launching thier SLBM’s – so they might be “strategic” but they are air delivered, of intermediate range and a smaller yield.
The Periodic Problem of Strategic and Tactical Nuclear Weapons..!. How do you define Them ? How do you Recognise the Diffrence..? And How do you Deal with them?
Are Tactical Nuclear Weapons a First Use Option..? Dare you Use them..?.. Are they just for Show..?
I view them as performative and a waste of money, how many stealthy supersonic missiles could you have for splashing the same amount of cash?
Montague Whaler
Jonathan, posting above, has basically summed up the French policy very well
The UK has no plans to build its own tactical nukes
Key issue is, as jonathan quite rightly touches on, that the only “differentiation” between “tactical” and “strategic” nukes
is what is said on the sticker stuck on the side of the bomb
So it all depends what target one drops ones small nuke on
Thus
a Trident aimed at a remote russian arctic island could be tactical weapon
However,
A W61 (sticker says tactical) being dropped on Moscow would definitely be considered as a strategic weapon
Also, tecnology has moved on, al lot, since the end of the first cold war in 1989
In the current war – Gulf War Numero 3 – Iran’s key strategic targets lying deep underground are now being hit and effectively destroyed
by massive, precision guided conventional weapons
Thus, since 1990,the development of many types of PGM has made the whole concept of “tactical nukes” pretty much irrelevant
as both the USAF and IAF are now proving, as we speak, in the skys over Iran
by accurately dropping large PGM’s onto the mullas garden sheds
(i.e. sheds that conceal the entrances to deep underground bunkers)
Peter (Irate Taxpayer)
PS
One has to “known ones Warden when discussing this subject
It’s the South Koreans that have taken this to the extreme.. with ballistic missiles with an 8ton conventional warhead… that is a lot..
A bit more on the subject can be found via this LINK
I wonder what he means! $$$
“Additionally, Macron revealed that France is in discussions with Germany, the United Kingdom, Poland, the Netherlands, Belgium, Greece, Sweden and Denmark about potentially linking up on a “forward deterrence” effort related to France’s nuclear umbrella, though he stopped short of saying France would consider deploying its nuclear weapons to foreign soil.”
Also worth noting. LINK
“In addition to Poland, other EU states taking part in SAFE loans are Romania (€16.7 billion), France and Hungary (€16.2 billion each), Italy (nearly €15 billion), Belgium (over €8.3 billion), Lithuania (€6.37 billion), Portugal (€5.84 billion), Latvia (€3.49 billion), Bulgaria (€3.26 billion), Estonia (€2.34 billion), Slovakia (€2.31 billion), Croatia (€1.7 billion), Cyprus (€1.18 billion), Finland and Spain (€1 billion each), Greece (€787 million) and Denmark (€46.8 million).”
Europe ramps up defence spending to 21% of global total, led by Berlin:
LINK
Macron said they will not announce the number of French nuclear weapons from this point on.
like Britain !… So More for Domestic Reasons than Military..??
More Micron posturing.
La France will allow its allies to pay for expanding its nuclear capabilities.
PS you can also pay for our nuclear carrier and for the nuclear capable planes we will need to fly from it. To our design and leadership obvs.
There FIFY.
You have to admire the approach: one that a paperweight light Starmer can’t hope to emulate.
We are much better being completely out of this conflict. After all it has been initiated by a fool who has no long term plan in mind. It will not end well although it might help to divert attention from the Epstein files!
Agreed, but there still should have been assets in place to defend our bases.
Starmer made the right call in not getting involved initially, but the wrong call when deciding not to deploy Duncan.
I Think your missing the Point.!. Was STAMER actually asked to join or even did he know…??? We must assume with only limited assets sent to Cyprus,That he and the British Goverment were NOT Consulted…! This Underlines that Britain NO longer has the Ear of the American Goverment….! A Very Sorry State…! The Cameron/ Miliband debacle over SIRIA still Haunts us, As it Without question turned British Goverment Foreign policy Pacifist in the Eyes of the Americans….!
I doubt that. If the UK were not aware of the coming strike, then there would’ve been no deployments of F-35Bs and Typhoons to Cyprus and Qatar.
I think instead that the government misjudged just how ‘all-out’ the Iranians would go.
When US and Israel goes “”all out”” then surely Iran would have followed.
All the Gulf States plus Saudi have been supporting US in this war ( except Oman) and denials are pretty thin as US has been firing its very new medium range tactical ballistic missiles from truck launchers and they cant be fired from Isreal and flat desert behind indicates the Gulf coast somewhere
Yes – but with the UK government publicly refraining from allowing American strikes from British bases, there may have been the idea that the UK would not see a direct attack on Cyprus, and therefore would instead only need to contribute as a supplementary force to Qatari air defence.
Just to be clear, I think this was a poor judgement.
Qatar has its own air defence planes and a substantial AAW missile batteries from Thaad, Patriot, NASM down to Stingers on camels…LOL
Anyway Bahrain is more the centre of UK interests.
Qatar are US lackeys, let the USAF and Army help them out
Qatar supplies a large Chunk of Britain’s LNG…! Get your Thermals out Duker !
From kick off to 0715 GMT March 3 – it’s the US and Israel only.
No ‘western’ country has joined in the air campaign, Western allies (UK, France, Germany, etc.) have limited involvement to defensive measures only.
Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, Jordan … clearly support the overall air campaign, through command‑and‑control, logistics, ISR, search and rescue, some tanker support, etc. However, host governments such as Saudi Arabia and the UAE have publicly said their territory and airspace are not to be used for attacks on Iran, so U.S. officials are being deliberately vague about which specific bases, if any, are being used to launch strike sorties versus purely supporting roles.
The fact that the UK gov. denied the use of UK bases answers your questions
Britain whispered into the Ear of the American Goverment … “No bases for you, come back and ask again later when we have seen the new realities of what you have created.”
I imagine that all euro bases being off limits pissed Trump off no end.
The europeans take the legal perspective seriously.
Perhaps they Assumed the Starmer Answer…? OR Even more Distubing,, Didn’t want Britain getting in the Way…!
It has been initiated by Iran repeatedly calling for the destruction of the US and the West, for being the leading sponsor of global terrorism for over 40 years and for repeatedly trying to get a nuclear weapon.
Well are we going to invade them and end them for good or keep bombing them every 6 months with retaliations in kind?
The question there is “invade them with what?”. No assault ships, too few helicopters, no land forces in the area or capable of being deployed for months, no strategic depth to actually support operations.
It’s a fairly bleak picture
Invade with British Leyland, of course.
By that justification, I presume the USA will be bombing Russia next-week and China the week after? Maybe squeezing North Korea in somewhere between the two?
It would have been legal since you have a fetish for that word.
For example Australia that had 2 failed Iranian terrorist attacks in its soil not long ago also have legal right. Ayatollah regime have been murdering Iranian diaspora in Europe too.
Why not do it the legal way and declare war?
Tell me, what is the aim and endgame?
AlexS
Please find attached some “ammunition”
thus supporting your arguement that Iran is a direct threat to the UK
This was published by UK Parliament very own Security and Intelligence Committee, only last year (2025)
Iranian state threat activities in the UK – House of Commons Library
Well worth reading the whole report (please download from the link)
Sean (posting above) apaers to be totally unaware that they said
“The committee said that Iran poses a “wide-ranging, persistent and unpredictable threat”
Peter (Irate Taxpayer)
It’s fully why then why Russia has not been smashed considering it’s ongoing campaign against Europe and the fact it dumped enough chemical weapons in a UK city to kill 1000s..
Your faith in the honourable members abilities is astonishing. The member who is currently sitting in the role of defence minister of HMG is a teacher by profession.
But then in 2016 when Russia dumped enough nerve agent in a UK city to kill a few thousand people. NATO should have blown the crap out of Russia. As it was it took all the UKs efforts to pursued its allies to expel a few diplomats.
So the Russians chose a city closest to Porton Down the home of Britains chemical weapons. The other location Amesbury is even closer.
maybe not from the CWE, but the Porton “”Bioscience”” industrial park is right next door
Well said. Credit when its due.
Yep it was a purposeful attack on the UK using weapons of mass destruction and NATO just let it go… that was when I realised that NATO was not fit for purpose and it lacked the true political will needed to be a deterrent… it’s been essentially dying by bits since then under Russian grey warfare attacks.
Um. No. Rubbish. Novichok agents aren’t something you play around with like they a pint of Jeyes’ Fluid. I wrote on SALW Proliferation at uni’. Oddly the best way to convince others of how serious how that is to know a lot about WMD. If you believe two Ruskies travelled across Europe with that stuff in a scent bottler to use a weapon you are either sniffing glue or spend too much time consuming the MSM lies. You couldn’t do it. You would be dead. Very dead. With no option to respawn. Throw in the laughable images of how they dealt with the problems and it all says false flag……….But hey……….
Hi WIZ
You are not looking like the previous WIZ…
Just appearing when it was needed to criticize DT and the West, after all, why not?
But saying “I wrote on SALW Proliferation at uni”, this is too much🥳. Was it a Moskva Uni?
Because you seem so aware of Novichok and you are so willing to innocent Rus.ia…
What f*cking utter rubbish. Let’s dissemble your dribbling piece by piece shall we?
Just appearing when it was needed to criticize DT and the West, after all, why not?
That was my third post here in over 145 days. I got tired of sh!theads like you making posts like that one you have just made. In the first post I didn’t mention Trump or the West. In the second post I didn’t mention Trump or the West. And above I didn’t mention Trump or the West. Are you sniffing glue or just a nutter?
But saying “I wrote on SALW Proliferation at uni”, this is too much🥳. Was it a Moskva Uni?
How you utter f*ckt@rd? Many in the West write on this topic you pr!c-k. Moskva Uni? Eh? P!$$ off.
Because you seem so aware of Novichok and you are so willing to innocent Rus.ia…
Nerve agents are handled, note are, just the same here in the West as they are in Russia or the PRC. I should hope persons commenting on a security site would have some knowledge of chemical weapons. Then again many here know nothing about ships, navies or maritime security so perhaps I shouldn’t be surprised some here know nothing about chemical weapons. If you think Novichok can be carried in and used from a scent bottle you are at best $tup!d………
If you think the governments of the West don’t lie frequently to the peoples of the West you are not only $tup!d but naive too.
Posts like yours are one of the reasons I stopped bothering with this echo chamber. It doesn’t surprise 3 posts in some pr@tt who says little here of any use should decide to have a pop off.
Foxtrot Oscar…………
NATO blow the Crap out of Russia in 2016 ? NO CHANCE…!
And that is why NATO is dying bit by bit and is not a deterrent to Russian grey warfare.. if it can dump chemical weapons in a UK city that could kill thousands.. their is very little it cannot do to any NATO nation.
And yet so few died. Funny that. Even funnier was one of the few nurses who would recognise the sympotons attributed to nerve agent poisoning was strolling by at the time.
The Saudis have been murdering and kidnapping the troublesome diaspora too.
India has been active in their diaspora eliminating trouble makers
👍 The Politicians and Media only see what they want to see…!
I was struck by how few MPs were at the PMs Statement to Parliament…I Expected it to be full..??
The only time its full is when the annual reimposition of income tax vote is taken.
Your knowledge of law is lacking, read Article 51 of the UN Charter (self-defense).
Better than the European plan of continually appeasing these guys and actually selling them the means to build nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles to carry them. Let’s not forget a lot of Iranian weapons tech came from Europe (rocket fuel mixing equipment etc).
Because the American government has never directly transferred money to the Iranian regime as part of an agreement on nuclear arms research…
‘The European plan’ my ass – it was a joint Western movement in the 2010s that enabled Iranian rearmament.
Smell the NK Conection..!. An attempt to Control NUCLEAR WEAPONS by Deplomacy that ultimately failed.!!..NOT to be Repeated…!!
NK rocket motors were supplied with Ukrainian technology- two of the USSR design and production plants was in Ukraine.
You mean the severe sanctions- this time UN backed so can be enforced on high seas- has failed
Any country under severe military “”pressure”” is going to develop Nuclear weapons. Which is why Isreal did and faced no consequences
I was referring to NK Uranium Enrchment and Restarting of Nuclear Reactors…? The Deplomacy Didn’t Work…!
As apposed to the US plan to continually appease Russia.. even after it dumped enough nerve agent to kill thousands of people in a UK city….
Too many inconsistencies in that story. Did you know it just so happened the Chief Nurse of the British Army was just strolling by to find the 2 people caught by side effects, and Porton Down just so happened to be 5 miles away from Salisbury
D notices mean the inconsistencies arent more fully explored
What’s more likely – massive conspiracy, or botched assassination?
The UK does not spray nerve agent in its own cities.. it does not hold any meaningful amount of nerve agent.. it does no hide them in perfume bottles and throw them in the bin..
Duker
The fact of the matter was that the russians did use a deadly chemical nerve agent in the UK: and they used it on one of their own defectors
It was not the first time they used “nasty stuff” on the streets of the UK (once again, on their defectors)
That was a classic russian grey zone operation
– ie if the use of chemical weapons was detected: then the Russians would immediately blame it on a “lab leak” (from Porton) – it is called plausible deniability
Hardly surprising that a member of the Britsh Army was nearby: simply because tens of thousands of them live in and around Salisbury
(indeed it would have been more concerning had one member of the army not been there on their day off)
Yes, I will agree that there are some inconsitencies in the public inqury report: not least the facts that
Two russian GRU goons were allowed into the UK (breaching visa rules)
that local police had no knowledge of Skripal living there (gross incompetence)
and that surprisinghly little was said about their GRU’s support team
and indeed how “a liquid container” got through airport security
However that does not excuse the fact that it was russain statee sponsored terrorism
And, like many other grey zone attacks, it was/is designed to test the UK’s “metal” and “resolve”
And the UK then did “diddly squat” to retaliate
Peter (Irate Taxpayer)
Greece sending in Cyprus, our new FDI frigate (AAW) along with a MEKO frigate (Greek anti-drone system) -veteran of Red Sea-, plus our new F-16 Viper’s Block 72! Proud of our leverage!
thx Greece, maybe shouldnt be selling Typhoons to Turkey /facepalm
Your welcome, we are sister countries and brother nations from ancient times with you, never forget that.
Greece has no Typhoons of its own . You are confused over who is Turkeys supplier – its starts with a G
my bad, sorry for confusion but I forgot to put the UK between “maybe … shouldn’t”
Excellent Konstantinos.
Glad to see the Greeks helping us, so thank you
And as history keeps repeating itself, the Greeks and the Persians fight once more!!
Konstantinos
Is your new FDI frigate (AAW) replacing one of your navys’ old triremes?
Peter (Irate Taxpayer)
Ofcourse not my dear Peter……We want this triremes to make a landing on Qeshm….
Konstantinos
Good post
👍👍👍👍👍👍
Great to have our allies posting here on Navy Lookout!
Peter (irate Taxpayer)
The new Greek FDIs will be a very nice bit of hardware in a bit of Europe that needs some decent hardware.
plus GREEK AIR FORCE patriot batteries to saudi arabia
Those four HAF F-16s are joining the 10-14 F-35Bs and Typhoons the UK already has there, right?
Does Turkey still have F-16s in the Northern Cyprus?
a. YES, b. NO
“The Starmer government appears to be treading a confused line between support for Trump and disavowing involvement. ”
There’s nothing confused about it. Starmer wouldn’t authorise for the original offensive as it’s not legal under international law – he’s a lawyer after all and doesn’t want to become Blair N#2.
However, now that Iran is lashing out at countries in the Gulf that are our allies, he’s given the go-ahead for cooperation to neutralise these threats.
Not legal hahah. Iran have been attacking US and its allies since 1979.
All of this fake legal talk has always have been to protect the right of western enemies to choose the time of their attacks.
Like the Iraq WMD in 2003 hahah?
Thats not what Trump has stated as the reasons.
US of course does operate in own proxy wars in various places
Iran and Isreal have technically been at war for a long time
Was about to say exactly the same. Why is it impossible for NL to just do logical analysis and not seep into this emotive political commentary when reporting on events?
Because the articles offered have the flavour of ex Conservative party advisors out of work.
Cyprus for example has a comprehensive Isreali Barak air defence system of its own. Qatar as juts one example has 10 Pac 3 batteries , plus NASM plus vehicle mounted short range. Some say it has a Thaad system , a radar at least
NL use to comment similarly when the last Government were in power and to be honest we could probably do with someone bringing emotion into the topic of UK defence given its current condition.
Completely agree, there was no way the UK was ever going to actively support a surprise first strike on any nation.. it does breach the international laws we have signed up to and parliament would hang any government that did it without a vote in parliament.. which would negate the surprise first strike bit.. but once Iran started firing off in all direction HMG could take limited actions to support defence of allies.
Im honestly not sure why people cannot see the difference to be honest.. as clinician I could not punch a patient in the face as a surprise first strike.. but if they attacked me I could fight back without getting struck off.
All the Gulf nations struck have supported overtly the US-Israeli attack and all have major US bases being used ( secretly)
They arent innocent parties, indeed Kuwait shot down 3 USAF F-15 that were overflying, but they also have US bases
What a state our defences are in. Bad government management and procurement I blame. We have no air defences either – If Iran attacked UK we have nothing to stop missiles.
The RN is now a bath tub navy, it is best it is not put in the way of harm, next up for Starmer will be the Falklands, the Argentine military must be getting very tempted.
Lets hope the army move it to where it is needed UK bases overseas.
Next up..Spring Statement…Wonder if we will see any movement in Defence…?
No we will not, just a statement that in the light of the lessons learned from the Iran conflict we will need another defense review.
Newspaper gossip is that Reeves is standing firm on no extra for Defence.
I asked ChatGPT for a laugh, and it’s pessimistic, too. It expected: “a reaffirmation of existing defence commitments — e.g., continuing the path toward 2.5% of GDP and innovation priorities.” Although it also suggested the possibility of “reprofiling money already in the multi-year programme”. It seems even ChatGPT can spot how they game the system. The thing’s even more cynical than I am.
Who does wear the Trousers of Goverment..?.It Appears that its NOT the PM..!.. Show Some Leadership before you’ll Probably Go…!
Why are you telling lies?
The defence budget increases are baked in for the next 4 years
The Cabinet makes top level decisions any way , not the Chancellor on her own
No they are not. It is an expressed desire but not a legislated requirement.
The defence budget increases are baked in for the next 4 years
Duker
Does “baked in”
really mean
”cooking the books”?
Peter (Irate Taxpayer)
Greece is sending its new frigate Kimon to Cyprus for additional air defense
plus patriot batteries to saudi arabia
Just a side note has RAF akriteri
got any air defense at all or are all of our Land Cepter systems ( of which we only have six currently) in Poland. Not even sure if we have any protecting RAF bases in this country!
There are 6 more on order, still pitiful.
Base Security by the MOD in General is a Shambles…A Simple Drone Attack with drones bought in this Country Would wreak havoc.. ! Can’t our Politicians take a hint….?
The RAF’s airbases, including Akrotiri, and the three major UK RN bases are dangerously unprotected against missile and drone attack. The Army is less of an issue, as their assets are distributed over a larger number of sites, and they do at least have some anti-air capability. After the Cold War ended, the RAF Regiment, who were originally established to defend airfields, lost their heavier anti-air weapons and became essentially a small-arms force only. Successive Defence Reviews have ignored this vulnerability, leaving the country at significant risk of losing planes and ships in our bases in any conflict. I have no confidence that the UK Government will do anything about this.
Thats why RAF F35s have been sent to Cyprus- so they can defend at distance
RAF Akrotiri is an RAF (and RAF Regiment) concern – Royal Navy warships should not be tied to defending the base.
Perhaps they shouldn’t need to, but I would hope that any interservice rivalry isn’t so bad as that…
Good point. Some people are just desperate for the RN to get involved, they’ve stopped thinking logically.
Yes. These Gulf states all have missile defences and their own air forces that far exceed that of Britain could supply .
Qatar for instance has 10 batteries of Patriot Pac-3, plus additional Amraam medium range batteries, then there is the vehicle mounted short range systems. Stinger, Mistral etc
The states are being attacked because they support the US Isreali attacks, and they have US military bases. Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Emirates.
Oman is the only non participant.
“Oman is the only non participant”.
Duker
Nonsense
Oman has been hit by Iran
including on a port often used by the RN
Peter (Irate Taxpayer)
You cant be firing air defence missiles without closing the airspace to civilians.
The RAF has deployed F35B for the interception of drones as far away from the island.
Plus anti drone electronic or laser defensive measure have been deployed as well
Why is Iran targeting Akrotiri?
I know the Ayatollah thinks we’re all lapdogs of the great satan or whatever but I don’t think indiscriminate bombing will exactly ingratiate the world to their cause.
It’ll be a lot harder for the UK (and others) to resist joining in this war if they keep firing explosive drones at us.
Is it just individual commanders opening sealed orders, along with a decapitated leadership? Or is this somehow a strategy?
…Anyway, this certainly highlights the complete unpreparedness of the armed forces for any actual confrontations right now. Fingers crossed none of our men and women in Cyprus, nor any Cypriots get hurt. Hopefully this can serve as a wake up call for base hardening/air defence and fleet readiness, but we’ve all been here before, haven’t we…
~~~~ HMS T
They target Akrotiri because they can. Technically that’s an article 5 attack on a NATO member in Europe, a line even Putin hasn’t crossed. Perhaps they think what more can the West do so why not? Once upon a time we were the little Satan and now that position is filled by Israel. However, just because we lost the title, doesn’t mean they like us any better.
It’s unclear whether Article 6 covers Cyprus, given it specifically refers to Europe and North America, plus the Spanish colonial territories in Africa. Cyprus is widely considered to be an Asian country (geographically, which is what concerns the treaty).
FYI Cyprus is part of the EU though not a NATO member, and Turkey is not a part of Europe (except Istanbul aka Constantinople), it is Asia Minor and also not on the Atlantic yet it is a NATO member.
Furthermore the UK base in Cyprus has a special status since it’s still British as part of the agreement for independence.
Unclear if Article 5 could be invoked, plus the guarantees under Article 5 range from actual participation in the conflict to “assistance” which could mean a lot of things
Let’s just say its complicated if members decide to play political games
Turkey is specifically mentioned in Article 6 as an exception to the rule – you can read it on NATO’s website.
I’m aware of Cyprus’s EU membership, but that’s a political, not geographic, union, and so doesn’t define Article 6 compliance. That’s a geographical issue.
on that note are Corsica, Sardigna and Sicily covered by article 5?
technically they are islands and not connected to the mainland of France and Italy
also Martinique, Guadeloupe are part of France (taxes, public services, military, etc..) as well as part of the EU and use the Euro. but I suspect they are not covered by Article 5 because not North Atlantic if not mistaken, yet in Northern Hemisphere since above the equator
any lawyers who can say?
I recall the question of islands in the Caribbean depended more on the line of the tropic of Cancer rather than whether is it in the North Atlantic. So none of the French islands are included. Nor is Puerto Rico. However, Bahamas mostly are.
Sicily and Sardinia are Italian provinces and so are Italy, Corsica is a department of France and so covered by Frances detached association with NATO, same with any of Frances over seas departments.
Cyprus is not part of NATO because it is a state in a conflicted political situation with the division of the Islands government into the Cypriot government and North Cyprus government, separated by a cease fire line.
Turkiye is in Nato. Why hasnt EU – of which Cyprus is a member- economic sanctioned the Turkish occupation and the rest of Nato heavied its member ?
Yeah, Corsica, Sardigna and Sicily are covered, because those are pretty firmly considered to be geographically within that Europe/North America physical area. Connection to the mainland doesn’t matter, just whether the territory is in the geographically covered area.
Here’s the text of Article 6:
As you can see, the important defining characteristics are:
Europe/North AmericaFrench territories in AlgeriaTurkeyIslands in the North Atlantic Area above the Tropic of CancerAirbases, ships or forces when geographically in Europe, the Med, the North Atlantic (above ToC)
As you can see, it’s really unclear when it comes to Cyprus. A ship off the coast of Cyprus, if struck, would qualify, but the airbase is unclear – it depends whether lawyers count Cyprus as Asian or European (geographically). This has nothing to do with ‘European’ as a political status, but rather European as a geographical status.
Unfortunately, with any doubt present, it’s unlikely they’ll test Article 5, because the grey area provides noncommittal states legal cover to not uphold treaty obligations.
Leh
Cyprus is split three ways
Top half – Turkey
Bottom Half – independent (traditionally allied to Greece)
To right hand corners (two no) – UK
It is the 1960 Treaty of Guarantee – between Cyprus, Greece, Turkey, and UK which properly defines the whole island’s security status
and three of thise four are NATO members
Peter (Irate Taxpayer)
You are right. Article 6 appears somewhat inconsistent. Cyprus is in Western Asia according to the UN, and NATO alludes to the UN as its frame of reference in Article 1. So according to Article 6, attacking the territory of Cyprus would be exempt as it covers specific territories not including Asia.
However, attacks on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties in the Mediterranean Sea, are covered. So as soon as a ship or aircraft leaves Cyprus, will it then be covered?
Gonna leave that to the lawyers.
Yeah, it’s (probably intentionally) very nebulous.
Absolutely no-one considers Cyprus as Asian.
Plenty of people do. The UN, for example.
Yes article six covers the UK bases in Cyprus.. not Cyprus but the UK sovereign territory…
“For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:
on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France 2, on the territory of Turkey or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer;on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer.”
its is very very specific in that it covers seas linked to the Atlantic north of the Tropic of Cancer.. including the Mediterranean.. if it’s sovereign territory or the military of a NATO nation in the Mediterranean any attack is an attack on NATO.
This is the text of Article 6:
Using the provided information, Cyprus is nebulous, given the Treaty doesn’t actually define what constitutes ‘Europe’.
Article 6 covers the entire Med, but doesn’t necessarily cover Cyprus itself.
It also doesn’t explicitly states ‘sea linked to the Atlantic’, as you claim – it says the ‘North Atlantic area’, from which the Eastern Med is quite far.
To be honest, all of this is kind of meaningless – the UK government will not want to invoke Article 5 if there is any doubt in its validity, because to do so, and have certain nations use the legal grey zone as cover to not honour treaty commitments, would essentially end the credibility of the alliance. It’s not worth the risk, and I imagine that the treaty was purposefully constructed in this way.
Leh
Did you fail you geography GCSE?
Cyprus in the MED. (note1)
And, as I pointed out above, its security is guarantted by no fewer than three NATO members
Peter (Irate Taxpayer)
Note1.
The full word is a cpmmon spelling mistake: so I won’t wind sean up by misspelling it today
No, no, no! We have taken back control, Red, White and Blue.
A british territory didnt cover the Falklands for Nato support when the Argies invaded
Farewell Thunder child Farewell… great name.
Keep all naval assets around the UK.
I regard a lone T45 as vulnerable to surface attack and all of our resources should be planned around a carrier needing to sail at short notice to a real war zone. That’s 2 x T45 and 2 x T23 and a sub.
We simply don’t have any spare resources that wouldn’t leave us open to an operational emergency elsewhere.
Plus we cannot afford to lose or have damaged a T45 and they have massive holes in ballistic missile defence and surface / sub surface threats.
We should be helping out here, let it be a reminder as to how poorly equipped the armed forces have become.
👍 Terrible thing is its not going to Change for Some time…! .And we haven’t addressed the problem of Manning to any Serious degree…! Let alone RFA, FAA, RM Needs….!
Let’s NOT forget the RAF or the ARMY in All this…? TRUELY SHOCKING…!
There are US military staff based there, who support the almost permanent presence of the high altitude U2 Dragon Lady (recce & ELINT) which flies missions over the region.
U2 is just a remnant with full withdrawal from USAF service this year
Somebody will be irate their taxes aren’t funding a presence in the region.
As an implacable enemy of Britain, the collapse of the despicable Iranian regime……
Shady
YES!!!
Somebody is definitely very irate that his taxes (note 1) are being misspent
and yet there is no RN presence, to defend our huge UK interests in this vital region
So, as the headine above says, on the website that once upon a time used to be called
“Save the Royal Navy”
Middle East in flames – where is the Royal Navy?
(and spot-on to the e***** r – for calling Iran an implacable enemy).
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Please note that today situation was, very easily, predictable.
On the 12th October 2024, just a few days after Hamas started off this war, NL published this article
Royal Navy aircraft carrier will not be deployed to the Mediterranean but other options are open – Navy Lookout
The first post / comment was from Sean – who honestly believed (I kid you not) that the Hamas attack on Israel on the 7th October 2023 was instigated by that nasty Mr V Putin in the Kremlin:
so as to use up US stockplies of munitions stored in Israel (and thus not be sent over to Ukraine)
So on the 14th October 2023 (so a few days before Israel retaliated) I posted
pointing out that both US and UK carrier strike groups, litterol response group – and especially Cyprus – were all vital to defending this region
I then went on to say, as my conclusion, that:
“All in all, some prompt and effective US/UK action, especially in the right place, might now stop this war spreading.
(by the right place: i said right off Iran’s coast)
“However if no action is taken, for the reasons just given above, this war will “probably” spread like wildfire throughout the whole of the very-volatile Middle East”.
and so it has come to pass.
I must be distantly related to that Nostradamas bloke….
either that, or I must be very good at reading large piles of dried tea leaves…..
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As for this comment above: this one has to be one of the all-time classic under-statements all time, here on NL (either that, or said very tounge-in-cheek)
“The Starmer government appears to be treading a confused line”
So – please – let us just forget the “starmer” bit
Because ever since the 7th October 2023, the whole of the UK guvernment (both political parties) and all of our huge civil service have leet us all down:
This is a complete and utter failure by/of UK intelligence (over two and a half years).Not even knowng our best ally was going to attackTrying, very hard, to sell off THE key Indian Ocean military base: Deigo Gacai No having any plans to evacuate over quarter of a million Brits from a war zoneAllowing UK merchant ships to be repeatedly attacked/ siezed, in both the Gulf and Red Sea; all without us doing anythingArresting Iranian IRCG (using both police and SF) here in this countryFailing to proscribe IRGC as a terrorist group etc etc etc
And this complete and utter lack of joined-up thinking – and thus lack of both governmemtal and also military prepardnesss – is best summed up by an big article, published in the Sunday Times, only yesterday morning
In their international travel supplement
Featuring, I kid you not, the banner headline, “a hotel stay on top of the world”
….at the world’s tallest hotel – The Ciel Dubai Maria (Note 2)
For those of you cheap-stakes and rough sleepers who are unfamilar with luxury international travel,
this brand-new hotel is just over the road from the Fairmont Hotel, at the Palm, Dubai….
As seen fiercly blazing, on Sky News, first thing on Sunday morning
What is our government playing at?????
We have two and a half years to;
Reinforce and protect Cyprus: as a proper operational foward base
Also protect our shipping in the vital straits of Hormus
Get prepared to evacuate UK nationals in the event of a big war
And park (note 3) T23 and T45’s of the coast of our many Gulf Allies: cooperating with them so as to defend those allied countries
Not mentioned in this article was, of course, a politcal topic far too hot and too sensitive to mention. That the labout governmernt badley lost last week’s key by-election in “grotty south manchester”– in no small part due to muslim voters big concerns about Gaza having been pummelled
However that pummelling of Gaza was – as I predicted in my post on NL on the 14th October 2023 – absolutely inevitable i/.e. if Iran was not very quickly deterered at that point in time back in 2023
It was sutterly inevitable that, after decades of provocation and teror by Iran – which lets us not forget – killed hundreds of our own Sqaddies over in Iraq and Afgan – this big war would come to pass
and so, simply because no effort has been made to deter Iran – we now have a really massive war in the region
However, even after over two years of us watching an intense, and very hot, war in the Muddle East – we are still today not ready for it.
So, yet again – UK PLC has been caught out……on this occasion with its military trousers, and even its naval underpants, tied around our own ankles.
Peter (Irate Taxpayer)
Note1
And, just to rub salt into the wound……my taxes are now being used to rescue / protect hundreds of thousands of UK nationals – those many tax exiles living and working in many low-tax Gulf States…….
…….. just few days after I settled up with my acountant, for sorting out my last year’s tax bill
Note 2
Late bookings deals at the worlds tallest hotel in Dubai are now much cheaper than printed in yesterday’s Sunday Times
I recommend alate deal, for a top floor penthouse suite: one with a stunning view of the action.
Address Sky View, Downtown Dubai, Dubai (updated prices 2026)
Note 3
The word parked is deliberately used here: just to deliberately wind Sean up
The problem with Starmer PM is he’s first and foremost a International Human Rights Lawyer..!! And its Argued Stuggles to Reconcile that with Conflicting National Interest issues…..!!! He found Iraq Very difficult to legally justify (unlike Blair) and know finds Iran Equally Problematic…! BLAIR put the Special Relationship first ( with the help of Some Dodgy Dossiers !)…What Starmers Position..?
The lack of Capabilites may be a blessing for him…But its also underlines our National Weakness…To the likes of Russia and China..!
Hes a politician! Thatcher was a barrister , Lincols Inn, too before parliament- its a legislature!
This sort of previous career counting doesn’t lead anywhere
Im sure Blair had some sort of legal advice that invasion of Iraq was legit
Blair was a Barrister…! The Problem is Blair,Found it Easier to keep his legal views and his Political Needs Separate..(Rightly or Wrongly..? ) What Ultimately Comes first ..The Rule of Law …?
OR The Interest of the Country…?
Tough Question for a Human Rights Barrister…!?!
Nig e
The common thread here?
All Oxbridge Tossers – every one and all of them!
Peter (Irate Taxpayer)
Maybe the question is whether Starmer would have committed if we actually had a credible force in theater to carry it out?
Its very easy to say that you oppose it on legal grounds when you are faced with the embarrassment of not having anything meaningful to contribute.
Hmmmm: ‘And park (note 3) T23 and T45’s of the coast of our many Gulf Allies: cooperating with them so as to defend those allied countries’
. . . And how long before their missile silos are empty – and where would they replenish those missile outfits?
Montague Whaler
We should be cooperating to defend our allies
Indeed, if Gulf War One was anything to go by: the Arabs would probably pay for some of our prescence there
And the RN (thus UK) would learn one hell of a lot about ABM defence
Which going forward, is going to be far more important than laerning to shoot down small UAV’s in Ukraine
Peter (Irate Taxpayer)
yet again your claims dont match the facts
Foreign Secretary Yvette Cooper told the BBC there were an estimated 300,000 British citizens in Gulf countries, where much of the air space is closed.
Duker
I said orguinally – “over a qurater of a million Brits”
The figures however appears now to be about a total of 300,000:
so even higher than what I said….
Of which about 200,000 appera to be expatraites living out there (they mostly appaer to be staying put)
It is the approx 100,000 tourists who have registered to leave quickly:
So let us hope that Ryanair are not contracted by the UK givernment for the mass evacaution: because they always leave late!
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Meanwhile, on the local ompey Rivera (note1),
local hotelliers are rushing out and buying sun loungers and pedelos
in anticipation of having a bumper summer tourist season
from British toursits too scared to travel out to the Persian Gulf
The USP for these hoteliers?
They are close enough to Pompey naval dockyards drydocks that their hotels are within range of the Admiral Parry’s Folly (T45’s) ABM system😎
Peter (Irate Taxpayer)
Note1
Known locally as “Southsea“
Since when did Yvette Cooper become a trusted source?
That’s a very concise post!
Note One
And informative.
Has it ever occurred to the establishment at NL that these rich gulf nations could now leave the U.K’s nipple and defend themselves!
The Gulf States are very small nations that would be overwhelmed by an unchecked Iran but nevertheless they are significant inward investors in the U.K. purchasing considerable defence equipment and U.K. services whilst hosting a very large Ex-pat community.
We also still depend albeit considerably less then we did on the oil and gas from the Gulf so we have a vested interest in ensuring the place is safe.
Whilst not wishing to be directly involved I regret our lack of naval resources particularly MCM capability (only very recently lost) to undertake the defence of trade that is one of the traditional roles of the RN.
That was when british flagged ships and its Empire spanned the globe.
Now very few ships fly the Red duster, no obligation on RN to look after flags of convenience
Well said again.
I have also read most of the gulf oil products go to China. What a tangled web is weaved in otder to…
We get less than 5% of our hydrocarbons from the Gulf.
We had a frigate, 4 MCM vessels and an auxiliary in Bahrain within the last 12 months or have you forgotten and we have had no empire to talk of since the 1950’s, however, we have had frigates and destroyers active in the Gulf since the Armilla patrol was set up in 1980.
Nobody is expecting the RN to escort every oil and gas tanker but if you think we have no strategic interest in what goes on in that water way come back and we will talk about it after you have filled up your car within the next month and paid your gas bill in the summer. Don’t also be surprised if interest rates don’t go down as expected this year because of the inflation hit.
It is indeed a tangled web when most of those products manufactured by China end up in the West so when those prices rise because of scarcity it is a hit to the U.K. consumer.
So sorry I fundamentally disagree with your narrow assessment of what is in our national interest.
So your answer is that these fabulously wealthy states should continue to be independently dependent and shouldn’t take responsibility for their defence? Like the recently offshore wealthy of Ireland.
No we continue as we currently do by extracting as much financially as we possibly can from them. They are very significant investors into the U.K. economy unlike Ireland.
They also by and large do protect themselves with purchases of weapons from us, US and Europe but they have small populations so there is a limit when you face a rogue nation of near 100 million.
You’d think this would perfectly illustrate to the Treasury why a significant boost in defence spending is needed.
It’s a mess!!
This is yet another huge example of the chickens coming home to roost.
Successive Governments have been whittling away at the strength of our Royal Navy since well before the end of the Cold War and it’s only accelerated since.
We have reached the very bottom.
That’s it…
Lessons on defending the SBAs with a T45, E-3D aand Typhoon Squadron were supposed to have been learned with DRAGON on Op LUMINOUS in 2013 when the Syrian Civil war first kicked off. All clearly lost.
The combination of an upthreat T45, with an E-3 downrange at least some of the time to provide early warning of behind-the-mountain threats was formidable, if expensive compared to just basing a SAM system on the SBAs. I’m defence watches you could sit there for weeks, if you were willing to take a gap for a day or so to head to Limassol for fuel (assuming no Russians in of course). Plus options to use the same asset to undertake limited NEO from Lebanon, or support a Western Med USN CG.
Probably the most interesting post in the entire thread!
Looks at all the Sky Sabre units crashing out of Thorney for fast deployment to Cyprus on A400’s…. Nope, nothing, zip, zilch, nada
Thats a false claim not backed by evidence…. ist so easy to check !!
The UK has moved F-35 jets, radar systems, and counter-drone defences to the island.
https://theaviationist.com/2026/02/07/uk-reinforces-akrotiri-f35bs/
Cyprus is a sovereign nation ( despite having 40% of its territory occupied by a nato member with no consequences , but thats another story) with its own considerable air defences
Barak MX (Active Deployment): The primary long-range “umbrella” for Cyprus.
Range: Features three missile variants: MRAD (up to 35 km), LRAD (up to 70 km), and ER (up to 150 km).Plus secondary systems
Buk M1-2: Medium-range system with approximately 8 units in service.TOR M-1: Short-range system (6 units) used for point defence, originally acquired via a swap with Greece for S-300s.Aspide: Italian-made medium-range missiles used with the Skyguard (Othellos) system (24 units).Mistral: French man-portable (MANPADS) and vehicle-mounted (ATLAS) short-range missiles.
They did not work to well then did they, as the drones had to fly over Cypriot air space to get at Akrotiri.
The drone that allegedly hit the Akrotiri base overflew the area currently controlled by the US Navys 12th carrier group. Must have been a stealth drone.
why, is the 12th carrier group off Lebanon then, because that will be where it came from.
I see the Iranian navies drone carrier destroyed, that was a great idea that was not.
The drone armed state suffering badly, so far the USA aircraft carriers do what they want.
So if I am reading this correctly, the current sum of British surface combatants is 1 destroyer and two frigates. Stunning.
Thats the result of a 14 year government, most of which was defunding the military ( deliberately), with worst results for the RN
As people have proved and discussed with you on numerous occasions the stripping of defence has been going on since the late 1990s by the Government while politicians failed to take a serious long term view.
Now only dramatic action will make any difference to this dire situation, defending the present bunch is no help they need to be taken to account they have done nothing for defence other than add other costs to the defence budget.
They all talk the talk while failing to walk the walk there is a need for the UK to set and maintain a realistic base line for defence alongside a consistent defence. Industrial strategy which would also help maintain the industrial base of the UK which has almost disappeared.
Guys having lived through the period from the 80s and there were certainly cuts in the 80s and 90s but the rot truly set in post SDR 98, which set a reasonable force level for the armed forces, which you could probably say was a peacetime minimum. The Army could still deploy at Divisional level, the RAF in squadron strength and the RN could still deploy a small task force whilst maintaining most standing deployments.
After that the cuts have been savage, illogical and blatantly taken force levels way below even a safe peacetime minimum despite the BS.
Our political class both red and blue can now sit back and enjoy the fruits of their actions, whilst the country looks weak. That’s not to say we need to either back Trump or vehemently object to his actions but we just look feeble and nobody really listens to our Government anymore because they have very little to offer but words.
Pretty much agree with you the present situation isn’t the driver it does demonstrate that drones are not the best all and end all and that real hard power is still required and relevant.
British Defence and Foreign Policies were Greatly influenced by the SIRIA Vote of late 2013…A Significantly Greater Pacifist Policy has been followed Ever since…! The Down Grading of the Ministry of Defence Capabilites can be seen back to the knott Pre-Falklands era or the Healey era…Indeed Since the late 40s…Randomly Picking a figure out doesn’t do justice to the long term Decline….!
The Royal Flotilla does not have enough hulls to have meaningful presence anywhere on the planet other than home waters and the North Atlantic. That’s it.
British Goverments Never Plan for War!…Extremely Optimistic,..! Extremely Stupid….!
Not in the north Atlantic either. We could just about defend the Bristol Channel.
We don’t really have a Navy we do have the hyped up Type 45 destroyers but these have spent most of their time in dock having refits and more refits and still not sea worthy, our carriers are also struggling with maintenance issues on top of not having enough ships or crews to provide cover. The under investment poor procurement by the mod has left our armed forces sadly lacking against our neighbours. don’t kid yourself we are not the super power we once were
No one said we were a super power.
Does the US have any plan here?
They can certainly batter Iran and that would well suit Israel in the short term but what chance do they actually have to remove the extreme Islamic views currently forming the ‘government’ in Iran?
Even if they can change the Islamic government in Iran, the extreme elements wouldn’t give up, they would simply go back into the mosques and wait there chance.
You effectively have two military groupings in Iran, The Republican Guard which is the mullah’s private Army, Navy and Airforce and the ‘normal’ Iranian Army, Navy and Airforce. The Republican Guard is certainly unredeemable but the regular Iranian Army Navy and Airforce could conceivably form the basis of a new ‘power structure’ in Iran.
What bothers me is that the US military is just blowing things up (a very US trait) which hasn’t worked well in the past. For example, what exactly is the point of sinking the Iranian Navy’s few low grade frigates?
You would have thought the US’s experience’s in Iraq would have taught them to be careful what they break. Apparently not.
Given that no plan is evident beyond hope, the UK (and Europe) standing on the sidelines may well be he best outcome.
For the UK specifically, it has small other choice given how little of the MOD actually works at the moment.
Think laterally. We have a RM as First Sea Lord.
There are 20 plus Iranian midget submarines that can hold the world’s mercantile marine to ransom. UK could be playing its part with a re-run of Operation Jaywick (Z Force) or Operation Frankton. No SSN to Deliver the team? It’s at FBW. No time to catch up with a 100 day study on non-availability. No HMS Onyx (Operation Corporate)?
How about air delivery, or is that another capability we’ve lost with replacing the fat Albert’s with A400s?
Have you seen the video clip of SFs driving a RIB onto the tailgate of a Chinook?
Escape route? We scored a lot of points with Oman in 1972 when 19 SAS fought off hordes of communist guerilla intent on overthrowing Sultan Quaboos. The Royal Omani Navy still send their officer cadets to BRNC.
Let’s go 1SL!
Member of SAMA 82
Robbo
Not a good plan.
The SF are not the “right tool in the tool kit” for this war
A better one would be
One drives the RN astute and t45 T23(s) to the region
Then, using helicoptors, submarines, sonar and torpedos etc , one sinks Iranian mini-submarines
Whilst the T45 shoots down missiles etc
That, in turn, then allows the hundreds of oil tankers safe passge through Straits of Hormous
Thus ensuring that the price of petrol at my local Tesco’s PFS does not go up before I fill up again next week.
Peter (Irate Taxpayer)
PS
I will however agree the SF did good work in Oman (back in the 19860’s and 1970’s). That wa the the start of a very good long-term relationship
And also a very good example of using very small forces to very good, long-term, effect
Just a great shame you lot failed to pull off the same trick in Afgan (i.e. as per Oman)😎
For decades the RN has had a reputation for being able to muddle through. They’ve got assets into position even if in the longer term it has added costs that were not budgeted for and meant cutting something somewhere else. Maybe the new 1SL just said ‘sorry we’ve not got anything available’ and left the politicians to face the flak for a change rather than let them take the glory and then shaft the forces on resources.
The Pacifist Policies Undertaken by All sides of Parliament since SIRIA..Has Now Come back to Bite Us….Special Relationship a Distant Memory…Britain’s Role in Global Politics Gone..Only the Deluded and the MEDIA Think we Still have any Sort place…Bystanders in the Modern World…
SKY NEWS Latest:
UK considers sending warship to Cyprus
By Deborah Haynes, security and defence editor
“The UK is considering sending a major warship to Cyprus to help defend a Royal Air Force base from the threat of attack by Iranian drones and missiles, it is understood.
Discussions are taking place about deploying a Type 45 destroyer. It is the only piece of equipment in the British arsenal with the ability to shoot down ballistic missiles.
“We are looking hard at it,” a defence source said.
A Whitehall source added: “Nothing is confirmed yet.”
John Healey, the defence secretary, has been meeting with military chiefs to discuss options to increase the protection at RAF Akrotiri after it was hit by a drone on Sunday night.
Either HMS Duncan or HMS Dragon would be deployed if the order is given.
The Times reported the Ministry of Defence was planning to deploy HMS Duncan to the region amid Donald Trump’s escalating war with Iran.”

INSIDE No10..!. (Humphry!) Good for the British Media…Suggests we’re doing Something.. OR Have something to Offer…! Reality…HMS DUNCAN Won’t be in the DZ until Next week!
With a slight U-turn!
UK will deploy HMS Dragon in Cyprus, Sir Keir Starmer confirms
I New it would start with a ‘D’..Perhaps No 10 are the ‘U’ Class…?
The royal navy is a joke and Britain is now a Muslim country. They arent going anywhere and no one needs them anyway
I’m a little bemused as to why people seem to think sending an Area Air Defence destroyer to defend what is in essence a point land-based target against OWAS is a good idea. If the threat was TBM (for which T45 is the only counter), then fair enough, but at the minute, the threat appears to be Hezbollah launched drones. For which a Sky Sabre battery and / or some more specialist counter-drone systems ought to be the preferred option?
While I get the symbolism of “sending the Navy”, one might argue that the more pressing threat is better – and more rapidly – countered by sticking the RA on a C17 sharpish.
It’s a good thing we haven’t sent a bunch of our expensive F35s to sit in a fixed location, vulnerable to attack, with no shelters. Oh, wait……
N-a-B
I can, very easily, explain that political decision….
The real reason that we have not sent our Army’s RA Sky Sabres to the region on RAF C17s (to defend our allies)
is that they now need to be sent to Cyprus
that being the RAF base which was attacked by Iran just a few days ago
So the Sky Sabres will defend the RAF base on which our F35’s are now based
this being a front-line RAF base which has more sunloungers than it has hardeded aircraft shelters (i.e. To protect our expensive F35)
Touche! 😎😎😎😎😎
Peter (Irate Taxpayer)
Cyprus was where I was suggesting.
N-a-b
I was suggesting our Navy really ought to be patrolling the Straits of Hormouz
that is where ther are needed most
Peter (Irate Taxpayer)
I hope you are not suggesting a fixed airfield might be more vulnerable than a carrier because the anti carrier lobby will be along any minute led by Sir Max Hastings to put you in your place.
You might think that, I couldn’t possibly comment…..
Sjb1968
Are you referring here to THE Max Hastings?
The journalist and author of over 100 books
all about how useful the Bristh Amys and its tanks etc once was
to 20th Century warfare
The British Army: The Definitive History of the Twentieth Century by Imperial War Museum | Goodreads
Peter (Irate Taxpayer)
Perhaps in All the Drama of the IRANIAN CONFLICT We’ve kind of Missed the other Conflict JUST STARTED Involving a Nuclear Power….!!!!
PAKISTAN AND AFGHANISTAN..!!
Ni ge
Hence my prediction, first made on the 14tj October 2023
(Over two years ago)
“risks spreading like wildfire”
which it is now doing
Peter (Irate Taxpayer)
Is there a connection between the Two Conflicts or is this a chance Coincidence..?? I Wonder if the Pakistan/ Afghanistan Conflict will Prove the More Serious long term…? Mustn’t forget Also there was a serious skirmish between Iran and Pakistan just a short time Ago..!
This is why the UK should urgently place an order for at least 3 frigates /destdoyers to be built in a foreign shipyard , as gor the next 15 years forecast ahead the uk will still have only a feable homegrown half dozen frigates available st any one time .
Do not exists.
We do not have the right to interfere in other countries and not does the USA, when we do we are NO better than Russia. We interfered in Iran before and ended where we are today, had we not out the shah there then Iran would not be as it is today. And given the west’s inability and unwillingness to safeguard Ukraine despite signing up to do so then who can blame ANY country for wanting nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles to defend itself? I have Iranian friends and the regime is hated but it is for Iran to fix Iran not for an American president to try and hide his kiddy fiddling and kiddy murder by murdering even more people. We should stay well out of it and to hell with this nut case and his rantings
Dave…Your Advice…Sit on your Hands Until its To late…?
What RN? From 6 destroyers only 1 is active and keeping decommissioning frigates with what the RN can go?
We no longer have a Royal Navy. We can barely sail a Squadron never mind a fleet. 50 years of defence cuts by traitors in Gulovernment means that the few ships we have are clapped out with two many miles on their clocks. Poor design and building with long delays from drawing board to operational ensures that they are rapidly obsolete too. Each class mentioned should have had double the number of ships in it. The UK is undefeded now and has been for 20 years. No increases in defence spending will improve 50 years or more of nrglr t. Our country will pay the price for what the politicians have done with the compliance of senior military officers more interested in getting knighthoods or a seat in the Lords to front up and figjt for their Srrvices. Traitors all.
Akrotiri has no hardend aircraft shelter,but the Cypriot airbase in paphos has though Cyprus air force has no aircraft
Who thought off that???
We all know that the Royal Navy is not in good shape. The question needs to be asked is why in the hell is there not some sort of air defense on the ground for this vitally important Air Base? In a very vital spot in the middle east east… Where there seems to occasionally be some military conflict. .
A Terrorist Attack on a ROYAL AIR FORCE Base has only Recentlly occurred…Defence of a fixed target such as an Airbase SHOULD BE The Highest Priority…But that Appears to be Not the Case…! Maybe The Houses of Parliament take Priority..!
Remember the Royal Airforce cannot stop people getting on to it`s airbases in the UK
and repainting it aircraft, what can yo expect at an overseas base.
Question is what on earth is the RAF Regiment for if not airfield defence?
Deepsixteen
Catching Liberate Palestein protesors at RAF Carterton?
Peter (Irat Taxpayer)